Comments on: Politics and the Church http://mattwiebe.com/2008/02/politics-and-the-church/ Matt Wiebe's blog about faith and life. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:23:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Matt http://mattwiebe.com/2008/02/politics-and-the-church/#comment-8190 Matt Thu, 28 Feb 2008 15:40:51 +0000 http://mattwiebe.com/2008/02/politics-and-the-church/#comment-8190 <strong>joel:</strong> "count the cost" is indeed the point of connection here. well said. joel: “count the cost” is indeed the point of connection here. well said.

]]> By: joel mason http://mattwiebe.com/2008/02/politics-and-the-church/#comment-8189 joel mason Thu, 28 Feb 2008 13:53:05 +0000 http://mattwiebe.com/2008/02/politics-and-the-church/#comment-8189 excellent zing i say, let us be zinged! I notice that the one requires a concrete act already set up in a system (the vote), the other requires a change of theology, geography (usually for those who live 40 minutes from their community), a change of practice, ultimately resulting in a change of life completely. The quote you posted is illuminating and encouraging to me that we should togeher "count the cost" and then begin to go forward in big ways and small. excellent zing i say, let us be zinged!

I notice that the one requires a concrete act already set up in a system (the vote), the other requires a change of theology, geography (usually for those who live 40 minutes from their community), a change of practice, ultimately resulting in a change of life completely. The quote you posted is illuminating and encouraging to me that we should togeher “count the cost” and then begin to go forward in big ways and small.

]]> By: Matt http://mattwiebe.com/2008/02/politics-and-the-church/#comment-8091 Matt Sun, 24 Feb 2008 06:11:29 +0000 http://mattwiebe.com/2008/02/politics-and-the-church/#comment-8091 <strong>Heidi:</strong> I don't think that it's ultimately a matter of choosing, but being wary of our motives for being involved in electoral politics. In the same piece, David Fitch says: <blockquote>GO AHEAD AND BY ALL MEANS VOTE FOR OBAMA, but do not allow false ideology to sap our energy or distract us from the task of being God's people, his embodied Kingdom in submission to His Lordship, birthing forth His justice amidst the world that was made possible in His death and resurrection until He comes.</blockquote> That's his idea of what "both" looks like, and I find it pretty compelling. There's some excellent dialogue happening over in his <a href="http://www.reclaimingthemission.com/2008/02/zizek-obama-and-emerging-church.html#comments" rel="nofollow">comments section</a> too. Heidi: I don’t think that it’s ultimately a matter of choosing, but being wary of our motives for being involved in electoral politics. In the same piece, David Fitch says:

GO AHEAD AND BY ALL MEANS VOTE FOR OBAMA, but do not allow false ideology to sap our energy or distract us from the task of being God’s people, his embodied Kingdom in submission to His Lordship, birthing forth His justice amidst the world that was made possible in His death and resurrection until He comes.

That’s his idea of what “both” looks like, and I find it pretty compelling. There’s some excellent dialogue happening over in his comments section too.

]]> By: Heidi Renee http://mattwiebe.com/2008/02/politics-and-the-church/#comment-8084 Heidi Renee Sun, 24 Feb 2008 02:53:19 +0000 http://mattwiebe.com/2008/02/politics-and-the-church/#comment-8084 but why can't we have both? but why can’t we have both?

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